In this episode, the Kobo Writing Life team gets together to discuss our indie publishing predictions, forecasts, hopes and dreams for 2023! Hear from Tara (director of KWL), Laura (author engagement manager), Rachel (promotions specialist), and Terrence (content coordinator for KWL) as they discuss everything from AI-narrated audiobooks and the Kobo Plus expansion to the influence of TikTok and trends in cover design! Whether you agree with our predications or think we are wildly off-base, we hope you enjoy listening to what we thought of the trends we saw in 2022 and what we expect (and hope) to see in 2023. Happy New Year, and happy writing!
In this episode:
- We discuss audiobooks and the future of audiobooks, the accessibility of audiobooks and the advent of AI narration
- We talk a lot about TikTok and BookTok in particular, and what BookTok might mean for authors moving forward
- We discuss marketing, bookselling, and what marketing might look like in 2023
- Covers are on our radar, and we discuss cover trends and how they do (or don’t) connect to the content within
- We also recommend some great reads that you might want to check out
For more information on trends in publishing, check out these previous podcast episodes and posts from our blog:
- The readership results are in – the 2022 Rakuten Kobo Book Report
- KWL #289 – Marketing Books with Written Word Media
- KWL #287 – TikTok Sells Books with Jayne Rylon and Lila Dubois
- KWL #199 – Selling Audiobooks to the Kobo Customer with Elyse Daniels
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Rachel: Hey writers, you’re listening to the “Kobo Writing Life Podcast,” where we bring you insights and inspiration for growing your self-publishing business. We’re your hosts. I’m Rachel, promotion specialist at Kobo Writing Life.
Laura: I’m Laura, Kobo Writing Life’s author, engagement Manager.
Tara: I’m Tara, director of Kobo Writing Life for English language.
Terrence: And I’m Terrence, KWL’s content coordinator.
Rachel: On this episode of the podcast, the four of us sat down to discuss what we saw in indie publishing and publishing in general in 2022, and what we hoped to see in 2023 and beyond. We had a lot of fun talking about just all things books, audiobooks, AI, TikTok, and we would love to know if you agree with our predictions for next year, or if you think we are wildly off base. So, be sure to let us know and we hope you enjoy.
Terrence: Okay. So, what did you guys notice in indie publishing trends in 2022? What really stood out to you?
Rachel: I’m gonna jump in and say the continued growth of audiobooks. We have seen so many more people investing in audio and I think audiobooks will continue to grow and have continued to grow through 2022. And obviously, the advent of AI audio has really assisted that, but I think the growth of audiobooks is a trend that we’ve seen since what, like 2018 and it just continues to grow, which I think is really fun.
Tara: You’re making it sound like audiobooks never existed.
Rachel: No. Okay, listen, going from books on tape. I listened to books on tape when I was a kid, but I just mean like the continued boom of audiobooks that we’ve seen because I think when podcasts first started to really come out, that then brought people more into listening on the go and then audiobooks are continuing that trend, and I just have noticed more and more audiobooks. Thanks, Tara.
Tara: No. I think I was reading somewhere they were comparing audiobooks now, maybe it was the hot sheet that I read this in, but to podcasts a few years ago where people like even in the peak of serial were just sort of like, oh this is the most popular podcast we’ll ever be and it’s times 10 since then now. So, the audiobook growth will be something similar and kind of continuing in that way, which I think is interesting.
Laura: I think we’re just so much more like on the move than we used to be and like audiobooks is just a way to like continue reading like in the car, like on the train, and that kind of thing. So, I feel like that’s also kind of why we’re seeing this big boom, especially now that we can actually get outside after COVID
Tara: Yeah, and I think the audio links into what I think I noticed as the indie publishing trend is the subscription platforms kind of expanding. We’re seeing more and more offerings for audiobooks and then the likes of Kobo Plus with audiobooks in Canada, which allows authors to opt their books into a non-exclusive subscription service. So, as a customer, you can have like or you can listen to, or you can read, or you couldn’t have the option of just like buying your book. So, I think that’s been really interesting to see how well like the non-exclusivity part of subscriptions is doing. So, it’s just kind of opening up a whole other avenue to readers of both eBooks and audiobooks
Rachel: And just kind of to combine both of our answers again. Well, I think with having offerings like Kobo Plus and then also the advent of AI audio, audiobooks are becoming more accessible to both authors and to different types of listeners because the folks who buy into subscriptions tend to be different than those who like purchase books a la carte. And so, I think that we’re just gonna continue to see more and more people adopting listening to audiobooks as it becomes more accessible to be created and to listen.
Laura: Especially as the AI gets better and better. Which is, I know it’s quite good. There’ll always be, I think the narrator part. Like especially when you think about like romance is probably like dual narrator or at least like a talented narrator that is doing a male and female part or something like that. And I know that the AI is probably being developed to that point, but I like the option that it gives the choice like I think in a…sorry to go into the future Terrence, but like in a future scenario I see a place where they live together, where it’s like people have the option of like the narrator or the sort of AI-driven one depending on what your kind of price or reading preference is. But I know Rachel you’ve said before as well that like, if you’re listening to audiobooks in anything higher than one speed, then you’re not really listening for the nuance of what the narrator is doing.
Rachel: Absolutely. And I also think that as good as AI gets, I mean I’m not talking like sci-fi future like, you know, data on Star Trek, that good, but you are never gonna be able to replace like a full cast full production audiobook and that audience will always be there and I think those audiobooks will always be there. But I think you’re right, we’re gonna see more choice in what audio experience you get for the listeners like me who just listen on a fast speed and aren’t really there for the like character and voice acting experience versus those who are.
Laura: I like that you found a way to bring Star Trek into the call.
Rachel: Only took me about five minutes.
Laura: That’s Star Trek.
Terrence: Yeah, I think it’s interesting what you mentioned about not listening for the character necessarily. Because I think a lot of people, I know myself included, I listen to audiobooks while I’m doing other things. It’s kind of something to have on in the background and to enjoy while you’re, you know, just living your life. So, yeah, like the AI audiobooks for sure will make it more accessible for folks who are, you know, listening in that way.
Tara: Question for my own curiosity, for all of you, do you listen to podcasts differently than you listen to audiobooks? Do you treat them differently or do you treat them the same?
Rachel: I treat them very similarly, but I think that’s because most of the audiobooks I listen to are non-fiction, and most of the podcasts I listen to are also non-fiction, but I don’t usually listen to podcasts on 1.25 speed, whereas, I will listen to audiobooks faster, which is interesting. And I don’t know if that’s because in audiobooks, narrators will consciously try to speak more slowly in order to make sure all the words are clear for those who are listening. Whereas in podcasts, a lot of the podcasts I listen to are like fast and snappy pop culture podcasts so they move quickly anyways. But other than the listening speed, I listen to them very similarly, doing the same tasks. Like Terrence, I tend to have them on while I’m doing something else.
Tara: I find that I pay more attention to an audiobook. I guess it depends on what the content of the podcast is. But to me, the podcast is more of like the background noise. Sometimes I put them on to fall asleep too. You gotta pick the most boring stuff to listen to while you’re falling asleep. But then if it’s like an audiobook, like I guess the most recent one I listen to is was “Unreconciled” by Jesse Wente, which is probably like, you know, it’s kind of serious content as well. But I found myself wanting to just go on really long walks listening to it. So, I was doing something, but also like paying attention. And I listened to it on 1.25 actually, I think for some part. It’s funny that they’re both audio, but like we don’t treat them the same. So, I was just curious
Rachel: And kind of along those same lines just continue on this audiobook question trend. Do you guys listen to fiction and non-fiction audiobooks and do you listen to them in the same way? Because I have a hard time with fiction.
Tara: I’m mostly a non-fiction reader in all books so it doesn’t…
Rachel: That’s true. You like your books about boats.
Tara: I do like my books about random facts that I can give to the team and really entertain the team in our meetings.
Laura: I think clouds was another trend that you got into for a little bit.
Tara: I went through a real…yeah, I’ve got several books about clouds. Yeah.
Laura: Yeah, I’m also a big like non-fiction audiobook listener. For fiction, I find that it has to be a really good narrator, otherwise, it really takes me out of the story. So, I haven’t found too many fiction audiobooks that I enjoy so if you have any recommendations, for me, leave them in the comments.
Tara: One that I really liked was Denise Mina. I listened to her audiobook of “Conviction,” but partly because part of the story is a podcast or…
Laura: Oh, that’s interesting.
Tara: Every other chapter is a podcast episode. So, when you’re listening to it, it was actually quite fun because I read and listened to them at the same time, just so maybe that’s a cheat though because it’s fiction but it’s like…
Laura: Well, maybe it’s an entryway for me.
Tara: Yeah. Yeah, it was good.
Rachel: I also have a recommendation, it’s the only fiction audiobook I’ve ever finished and it’s called, “This Is How You Lose The Time War,” and I will talk about this book until the end of time. It was so good.
Laura: I like how I’ve secretly turned this into like a recommendation podcast for me.
Tara: I thought you were gonna recommend that city book again Rachel. I’m like I’ve heard you recommend that book like several times.
Laura: I haven’t listened to the audiobook of it. I’ve only read it but “The City We Became” by N.K. Jemisin is a phenomenal book and apparently, the audiobook is incredible, but I have not experienced it yet.
Terrence: Now that we’re on this recommendation train, I’ll shift the question to what subgenres or genres, in general, do you think will stand out more in 2023 and what are you hoping to see also?
Tara: In terms of kind of romance, we definitely saw a spike in paranormal, which I have to assume you guys can corroborate is to do with like TikTok and the different sort of trends in that sort of book, which I think is really interesting. Historical still doing well with sort of the tailwind from “Bridgeton” and doesn’t seem to be kind of slowing down in any way. And then when we look at some of the other genres, like mystery or thriller, I noticed an increase in sort of like the police procedural and especially with women’s sleuths, which I guess has kind of to do with potentially like cozy mysteries that people like they seem to be having a moment and I think it’s something nice about, you know, picking up a book and sort of knowing all of the beats to expect, but still being able to get lost in a story. So, I suspect that those will keep increasing.
What I’m curious about what’ll happen next year is because I think there’s definitely been an increase in more active romance, which is code for like erotica. As people, again, I think from TikTok we’re sort of wanting more of that darker romance and stuff. But I’m curious to see if that will also spill over into like darker thrillers and stuff like that because I know like those always exist and are like thrillers and mysteries and, you know, suspense stuff, in general, is always really popular but I’m kind of curious if there’s like an overlap there and like the darker content.
Laura: Just kind of going off the TikTok mention, but I think we’re going to see a continued like, I don’t think segmentation is the right word, but romance readers are really realizing what they like and they’ll seek out books that have that specifically. So, I think we’re going to continue to see more specific categories being requested or being looked for by readers as romance readers start to like look more actively for the one thing they’re looking at. Like, you mentioned more dark romance, alien romance, another BookTok trend, paranormal romance. But I think one cool thing about the BookTok community is that like romance is now something that people are more actively proud to talk about and it’s no longer, like, “Oh I need to hide my Harlequin novel in a magazine on the subway.” So, I think we’re gonna see a lot more requests for very specific romance genres. And Laura, you’re the romance reader in the room, am I totally off base here?
Laura: No, I was like nodding along with you totally agreeing. I think with TikTok we’re seeing a lot of people kind of discover reading again, who maybe weren’t big readers before, and especially with romance, people are like, wait these books exist, and it’s not just like my grandma’s like romance novels from years ago. I find a lot of people are discovering kind of backlist romance that was popular like years ago. It was kind of like coming back and like you said, like people are discovering what tropes they’re into and they’re more open about what kind of tropes they like and that’s kind of helping discoverability.
And I think that’s where we’re really seeing that paranormal romance that Tara mentioned. There’s lots of people who are like, wait, there’s werewolf books, there’s vampire books, like give me more of that. So, yeah, I think that’s going to continue to grow for sure. And one other romance genre that I think might continue to grow is kind of like that small town, like, western romance. I think with like a “Virgin River” we’re probably still seeing kind of like the tail end of that, but also with “Yellowstone” and stuff like that too, I feel like people are probably looking for more cowboys and that western feel. So. I’m interested to see if that continues to grow into 2023.
Terrence: Well, now that we’ve talked about the content of books that we might see in 2023, let’s talk about the covers. So, what kind of cover trends did you notice this year and that you think will either change or continue into 2023?
Rachel: Well, before we started recording, I brought up this TikTok that I watched recently and it was talking about the like vector-art, kind of cartoony covers of romance, and like we definitely saw a huge boom of that recently and there’s a lot of discussion around is it better suited for just romcom? Should it be used on steamier books? Is it misleading? But a lot of people are using that like cartoony cover and so that’s definitely a trend that I think we saw and I’m curious to see if that continues or if something new emerges because romance covers tend to be really cyclical in what is popular and so I’m kind of curious to see what goes next.
Tara: Yeah, we were talking about this beforehand as well about how with the more like darker romance, not necessarily darker romance, but again I’ll say the act of romance becoming more popular. But with different platforms having sort of restrictions on stuff that you can advertise, definitely seeing people using more object covers, which definitely feels like something that was done a few years ago. Like, you know, 50 shades style covers being used for books and stuff. So, it’s interesting to see that. And then also I think that the paranormal ones are really like, they’re almost like video game-like, right, they’re otherworldly in the covers. So, it’s kind of fun to see those different covers kind of pop up that aren’t following like…I guess they are following their own trends specifically, but they’re very much like selling what the book is on the cover, whereas not like with some of those animated covers, it can be a bit unclear. Like, you assume this is a rom-com but it might not be a rom-com.
Laura: Yeah, I’ve definitely picked up some books where I assumed it’s a rom-com, and then it’s like, “Whoa, this is steamier than I expected.” I mean, I’m not complaining, but it’s just like not what you’d expect from…
Tara: It’s like fanning yourself with shock.
Rachel: One thing I’ve noticed, and I don’t know if this is necessarily new, but it’s something that I’ve really noticed recently is a lot of the fantasy romance covers have been starting to kind of look a little bit more fantasy-ee. So, like text and vines and like really leaning into the more fantasy element, rather than the torsoed hero, on the front cover.
Tara: But there’s still plenty torsos, still team torso over here, you know.
Rachel: Plenty of torsos.
Terrence: Yeah. I’m personally interested in seeing the illustrated cover, not the kind of like vector or silhouette art that we were talking about earlier, but in a lot of YA at least in traditional publishing, they tend to get, you know, custom art commission of the characters in the books to put on the cover. And I have seen some of that in indie publishing as well and I’m interested to see if that picks up in 2023 when people realize, oh, there are, you know, plenty of artists we can work with out in the world to get, you know, beautiful covers drawn and designed for the books that are coming out.
I’m thinking like specifically of when I read this year “Legends & Lattes” by Travis Baldree, which started out as a indie book andthen became, you know, he got a book deal with tour. And the cover, I believe, if I’m correct, he like commissioned himself when he was still publishing it. And it’s really beautiful, like a really beautiful fantasy cover and, yeah, I’m just interested to see if people go down that path a bit more next year as the demand kinda picks up for that kind of cover.
Rachel: I have a question for the class. There was this, and it’s still kind of going like a huge trend on Instagram where people are using AI to create like different…
Tara: That’s exactly what I was gonna say. Yeah, we’re on the same wavelength.
Rachel: Perfect. Yeah. Do you guys think that AI cover art is coming soon?
Tara: It’s interesting, like the legality of that is kind of funny, right? That you own the copyright for that and you can use it. I’m sure it definitely, maybe it would be like part of the cover, I don’t know if people would use it for like a whole cover or anything, but yeah, it’s interesting to even get ideas to then use that to commission something else, but I think it’s a blurry rights world.
Rachel: I agree. And I know there has been some discussion about the blurriness of the legality when it comes to what art they’re using to train the AI.
Tara: Exactly. Yeah.
Tara: But I think, I don’t know, like advances in AI, as of late, have been extraordinary, so I’m really curious to see. Laura, what do you think?
Laura: Yeah, I was just thinking about that too. It it’s almost like creepy all the stuff that AI can do. Like, it kind of creeps me out in like a futuristic movie kind of way, where it’s gonna like come alive and come after us.
Tara: …It’s inevitable.
Laura: But I think it’s hard like when it comes to something like a cover that’s so personal to the author and to their story, I think it’s really hard for AI to replicate that. Like, I agree with Tara, I think it’s you who mentioned maybe using it as a starting point or something like that, but I think that there’s no way it can kind of replace the relationship between like the author and the cover designer in the same kind of way.
Tara: Yeah, I could definitely see it for like, you know, say if you were writing like sci-fi or epic fantasy or something and you probably have an idea in your mind of like, “Okay, I’ve got this goblin that wears a hat and he’s got one green eye and one is a pigeon,” you know, or something. Do you know what I mean? And just be like, what does that look like?
Laura: Is this your next nano-project?
Rachel: Tara, I wanna read this story.
Laura: Like, just the goblin in the pigeon?
Tara: Yeah, something like that. You know, he’s got pigeon on his shoulder somehow. But yeah, it’d be interesting to see the visuals. So, like, I don’t know, would that help with you writing it or maybe as an…well you can tell I’m not a writer, right? You probably know what that looks like already in your mind when you’re describing and writing that.
Laura: Can we put that image into an AI generator and see what comes through?
Rachel: We’ll include that in our show notes.
Tara: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Terrence, you gotta do that. But yeah, I could see that as a directive, right? That like, oh yeah, that idea is sort of interesting and maybe you could work with your cover designer on that. But again, I don’t know like how that works with the ownership part. So, always check legalities before you do any of this. I mean, I think you do own the rights or you can, but worth checking, everything is changing so fast.
Laura: Tara from Kobo search engine. Check with your lawyer everyone.
Tara: Yes, please.
Terrence: Cool. I think the next topic I wanted us to touch on is marketing because I think it’s obviously always a hot topic like how to market your book, what ways you can market. But what do you think we might see be the next big way to market your book or some new way to market your content in 2023?
Rachel: I mean, I think that TikTok is gonna continue. Sorry, Laura, you know, I love TikTok, but I think TikTok and BookTok is gonna just keep blowing up.
Laura: I do know she loves TikTok because I get a lot of TikToks from her. Yeah, I agree with TikTok continuing to kind of like blow up and BookTok continuing to grow in that kind of community. I was going to say that I think we’re gonna continue seeing authors using tools like Patreon and Kickstarter to kind of reach their VIP reader and continue to connect with their biggest audience or their most loyal audience. For example, like using Patreon to kind of offer more exclusive content like maybe like new fan art or like an exclusive edition of a book.
Or I know when we interviewed Katee Robert, for example, she was talking about how she uses Patreon to release like specific chapters, new chapters, about like characters that the subscribers vote on, like a couple they want to hear more from, and that kind of thing. So, I feel like we’re gonna continue to see that grow.
Tara: I agree too, and I think that something that will be really interesting in terms of like the TikTok and things like that is having it be like a wider audience of books, right? It seems to be quite like insular in the exclusive content. So, it’ll be interesting to see authors use it just, in general, for like books rather than it sort of directing to one place.
Laura: I also think with tools like BookFunnel continuing to update and offer new aspects, I think we’re gonna continue to see authors use more of that to sell their book in different ways in their newsletter as well.
Terrence: Yeah. Speaking of like the author newsletter, I have like almost 10 years of experience working in bookstores and I was thinking a lot about how I would love to see authors kind of get inspiration from booksellers in physical bookstores, in the sense that hand-selling, like really targeting the way that you’re talking about a book to make it sound as, you know, personal and as if you’re talking to a customer or even like a friend as possible. I really like that way of marketing. And I think it really suits the author newsletter. Like, you can make it a really kind of conversational thing.
It’s kind of hard to explain now I’m realizing, but, you know, when you work in a bookstore and you’re approached by someone who’s looking for recommendations, you don’t really take on a salesman kind of approach, it’s more like you’re recommending a book to a friend. It’s very personable, it’s very fun. It’s a very enjoyable experience, I hope for both the bookseller and the customer. And I feel like with the author newsletter, that’s something that you can really, really do there. Especially if, you know, you have dedicated readers like the kind of people who are, you know, that small group that’s always opening your newsletter. You can see it in your stats. Yeah, I really like the hand-selling approach and I think there’s a great example of how to talk about books in the way that a bookseller does on Literary Hub. They have a series called The Art of the Hand-Sell that I would really recommend people check out.
Rachel: Well, just kind of to bring it back to TikTok, I think that’s a really interesting part of the BookTok platform is that, it’s authors being able to engage and somewhat hand-sell their books to be like, oh, are you a fan of X, Y, and Z, well, then you would really like my book. And then on the flip side, it’s also an opportunity for people to talk passionately about the books that they love to their own community. Because it’s like we’ve interviewed several authors on the podcast who have had a book go viral on TikTok and a lot of the time it’s because of the hand-sell of a fan and they talk about it and then another person with a big following was like, oh, I’ll read that book, and then they talk about it and it just snowballs. So, I think that the art of hand-selling is something that is really becoming big on TikTok. It’s really cool.
Laura: And I think a large part of that is kind of what we mentioned before about people being more open about what they like. Like it’s being able to search on TikTok, like the certain trope that you like, and then finding books to read off of that. And then being able to see people say like, this book is great if you like enemies to lovers, like there was only one bed, billionaire romance, and you can kind of just like find if you’ll like the book just based off of those tropes. I mean, I build my, to be read list, on BookTok a lot just by looking at the different tropes that people list.
And I even see authors doing that on Twitter now too. Like, if you’re not on TikTok and just like breaking down what the tropes are in their book, and I find that really helpful. Or even putting it on their website as well and just like categorizing their books off of tropes, like why not? I think a lot of people look for something really specific in their reading list and you can always find them that way.
Terrence: My last question was gonna be on TikTok and BookTok, in general, but I feel like we discussed it throughout.
Rachel: I can continue to talk about TikTok until the end of time, so.
Terrence: Yeah, if you wanna hop in I think…
Laura: Don’t get her started.
Terrence: Yeah, I was just gonna ask, where do you think it will go next year? Like, if your wildest idea of where TikTok and BookTok might head for, you know, indie publishing or whatever we’ve been talking about here today?
Rachel: What I think has been interesting about BookTok is that it’s given a much more wide audience to indie authors, and a lot of readers who were previously only getting like print books from a bookstore or were looking for a certain publisher are now being exposed to the world of indie publishing and are finding other ways to find tropes they like, books they like. And I also think it’s gonna be really interesting to see how traditional publishers try to keep up with the indie momentum on BookTok. I just think of like the music industry for example, and how now it’s like, oh your song’s gotta go viral. And so, I’m really curious to see how TikTok affects the traditional publishing marketing, there’s a lot of verbs in there, of books. Because trad publishing tends to be a couple of steps behind indie authors when it comes to marketing and getting, especially word-of-mouth marketing. So, I’m really curious to see what happens there.
Laura: I love seeing indie authors take advantage of TikTok because I think for a long time it was really like, it was hard for them to have an equal playing field with a lot of the big five publishers because it’s like, I don’t have this like marketing budget that I can throw behind books, but the word of mouth that authors are getting from TikTok and like the new audience are finding like, you can’t replicate that with like a marketing budget. Like that’s something they’re not paying for. That’s just an author who loves a book and is talking about it and going viral. And a lot of publishers are trying to replicate the like going viral, but you can’t do that. So, I like it and I hope we continue to see authors kind of grow their platform that way.
Tara: I can only assume what you’re saying is true because I’m not on TikTok.
Tara: No, I don’t have the self-restraint to limit my time on that, so.
Laura: But the dog videos you’re missing out on Tara. Who said we have self-restraint?
Tara: I have a dog. That’s fair too.
Terrence: Well, thanks, everyone. This was a really fun conversation and I feel like we covered a lot, which is great. So, yeah, well, when this is posted it will be 2023, but right now it’s December. So, here’s to 2023. I’m looking forward to the new year.
Tara: Yeah. And authors, if we get it wrong or if you agree or disagree with us, let us know. We’re happy to chat more.
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Tara: This episode was hosted by Rachel Wharton, Laura Granger, Tara Cremin, and Terrence Abrahams, with Terrence also doing production. Editing was provided by Kelly Robotham. Our theme music was composed by Tear Jerker. And thanks to the team for taking time to chat with us. If you are ready to start your self-publishing journey, sign up today at kobo.com/writinglife. Until next time, happy writing.